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David Curry Discusses Christian Persecution

By Billy Hallowell on Sep 26, 2020 4:34:00 PM

Topics: Christianity News

Millions of people across the planet fear for their lives every single day because of being a Christian. 

Open Doors USA's provides a list called,  latest "World Watch List," an annual report that offers "an unparalleled glimpse into the 50 places around the world where it costs the most to be a Christian."

According to the stunning 2020 report, more than 260 million Christians live in places where there is a high level of persecution, amounting to one-in-eight Christians worldwide.

Learn more about the horrors of Christian persecution:

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Billy Hallowell: Hey, and welcome to the Pure Flix podcast. Today's show has two very different interviews for you to listen to. The first is with David Curry. He's the CEO of Open Doors USA. If you're not familiar with Open Doors, you can check out their website, it's But they are an organization that monitors Christian persecution across the world. And really, this is a fascinating nonprofit. They have something they put out called the World Watch List, and it ranks the most dangerous countries in the world to be a Christian. What happens to Christians? You know, here in America, we talk about persecution and it's a very different type of persecution than what we see happening in other countries where your life is literally on the line for being a Christian, for embracing Christ. And so David's going to talk with us today a little bit about what is going on in Nigeria and where in the world it is actually the dangerous place to be a Christian. So we're gonna welcome David to the show right now. Hey, David, how's it going today?

David Curry: Well, it's going very well. Thank you so much.

Billy Hallowell: Well, thanks for coming on. I wanted to talk with you. I've obviously interviewed you many times in the past. Your organization, Open Doors USA is phenomenal. And the work that you guys do in tracking and helping when it comes to persecution is just phenomenal. But I wanna talk to you about a specific situation in Nigeria where there are, I believe, ninety-one million Christians. And just can you tell us a little bit about what the situation is right now for Christians in Nigeria?

David Curry: Absolutely. You're right. There's a lot of Christians in Nigeria, but unfortunately, the country is divided geographically and then more to have some states which are largely Sharia law states run by extremist Islamic tribes or groups or politicians. And then in the South, you have a lot of, you know, what we would think of as Nigeria, big cities with large Christians, numbers of Christians in it. So it's really in the north of Nigeria that there's this significant rise and persecution over the last seven or eight years. Now, that's even coming to an even higher peak than we've seen before. We've had a significant attack basically every two weeks. You've got, on average, about 10 Christians a day being killed for their faith, not dying of heart attacks or in some other conflict. But just because they're Christians. And that's because you have these Islamic terrorist groups which have safe haven there in the north, the government has done little or nothing to to root them out. And they're attacking communities where Christians are gathered together. They often will live in the same towns and villages for family reasons, for community reasons. That, unfortunately, also makes them an easy target for groups like Boko Haram, which is an ISIS affiliated group, or the Fulani, which is a tribal group, but it's run by Islamic ideology equally as Boko Haram. So, you've got a bunch of factors, but it makes the north of Nigeria one of the most violent places for Christians.

Billy Hallowell: And just expanding a little bit on some of a recent events. What are some of the specific things recently that have happened there?

David Curry: Well, May 18th, you had a choir practice seen in the church, and some Islamic extremist groups, we believe Boko Haram came in and kidnaped 17 members of the choir. They're still being held hostage. We may see them return. We don't know who's alive and who's not. But typically, as happened in the north, this is the women are either forced into marriage to a jihadist, that seems like another world to us here in the West, that that can happen. But again, under Sharia law, there's often nothing anyone can do to to get those females back or they're sold back for ransom to raise money for their terrorist activities. That sometimes happens or they're killed. So there's there's a number of things that could happen. None of them are very good at this point. So 17 people on May 18th were kidnaped. That's the kind of thing that happens all too often in the north of Nigeria.

Billy Hallowell: You know, it's and as we're talking about this, I just can't help but think about our life in America. And I think I've talked to you about this in the past. But, you know, we talk about persecution here and the things that happen here. And it's very different from what we're talking about in Nigeria and other places. I mean, this is an unimaginable situation where simply believing in Christ and being a Christian means not only abuse and torture, but quite possibly that your life will end.

David Curry: Yeah, it's a different world. What what it can do for us, though. It's really a format we can learn a lot from people who live in these kinds of environments because they're counting the cost that we we haven't factored into our faith walk. As such, they treasurer scripture more. I think they treasure the ability to worship together in church more because it's a it's a dangerous thing to do. And they value, just hey be able to get together and talk about Jesus, sing in safety and let your kids go to church and learn these kinds of things that we just so devalue. Now, we don't even practice them in some in some ways, that is, you know, we we can learn a lot from them in that way.

Billy Hallowell: You know, we're we're almost sort of. Yeah. I mean, it's it's easy to get desensitized. And you look at and what I mean by that is, in taking it for granted, you know, the freedom that we have. And there are a lot of people who say looking at America, getting more secular, that it does force a more a purer faith. You know, when it's a little harder to be a Christian, when it's easy to be a Christian, well everyone says they're Christian. But, you look at an example like Nigeria, though, in other places like it. And it would seem that being a, I mean, being a Christian is you're gonna value that I would assume so much more, because it's life or death for you. It's a deeper there's not there's there's so much risk here. There's not a lot of risk, gathers, you know, elements here or there, but not that kind of risk. And so that that just speaks volumes. And it's such a heroic thing. It's amazing to see people hold on to their faith in light of the examples that you just gave, you know, clinging to their faith still.

David Curry: Absolutely. Well, their counting the costs of their faith and and live in it in such a great way that it's inspiring. And I think what's happened is their life is stripped down to the basic, like what's most important. It when it comes right down to it. Your spiritual life, that the peace that you get from from scripture, the wisdom that helps to live everyday. Even in these really hard circumstances, especially in these really hard circumstances. I think is really critical. And so that's why you can find these folks who are held captive for a long period of time. We see this regularly. They're in prison for their faith and their faith walk grows despite the fact that they've been stripped, stripped of every comfort.

Billy Hallowell: Yeah, you know, and it's interesting, I think a lot of people in America, you know, we're not living in that environment, so we're not maybe thinking, we're not hearing in the news maybe what's going on in countries like Nigeria. But, there are a lot of people who assume, OK, ISIS has been defeated. Right. There's no there's not a big threat. ISIS has been, you know, knocked down, we don't have to worry about it. How would you respond to that? You know, what should people know about where ISIS stands and in particular how Nigeria might factor into that?

David Curry: Right. Well, Yeah, ISIS does not need a capital to to to bring about their, the spread of their ideology. That's what people need to understand. So they own the caliphate. They conquer territory in Iraq and Syria. They've lost that territory. That's a good thing. But the ideology is spread. It takes a different form as sometimes a different name, different groups, adopt, adopt the ideology and they move on. And ISIS, as soon as they began to realize they captured the money, their gonna capture in the church, they were not going to be able to hold. They started training bomb makers in northern Nigeria, sharing their technology, seeding money to try to capture either territory or or a hearts and minds in the north of Nigeria. So it's possible, that Boko Haram, you know, basically ISIS, a group associated with them, that it could grab territory in the north. Certainly, the government in Nigeria has shown themselves to be only ineffectual, fighting either to will or to just corruption and ignorance. They haven't been able to push them back. And it's not a you know, it's not just within the Nigerian borders. They could move on over unto Cameroon and other areas there. So it could be a larger caliphate. But we don't. We have seen that. Yeah, but ISIS doesn't need a capital. They've they're spreading terror. They're propagating their ideas. And that's still a threat.

Billy Hallowell: Yeah. And so I think it's important for people to know that. And the other question I know some people probably have listening to this is, you know, open doors you guys track. I mean, you're the best out of any organization that I've seen what it's like to be a Christian in different countries around the world. And when it comes to persecution, how do you guys step in to help the persecuted? Just take us through a little bit of the work you do for those who don't know.

David Curry: Well, first and foremost, our heart is to stand with them, to be present. Every place where there's persecution and then to help them by simply asking, what do you need to survive? And then to thrive in this environment. So we we don't try to tell them how to do church, to do it our way or to even adopt some of our specific little theologies that we can argue about all day long here in the States. What we say is, what do you need to honor Jesus where are you're at to be salt and light? And then we go try to help provide that. And really, it's not open door for the hands and the feet, but it's people like your listeners who are passionate about their faith and they wanna help their brothers and sisters in these areas. So we step in and do that. And research comes sort of secondarily to that. We have to look around, go where are the toughest places to serve Jesus and how is it difficult in these regions? So we started researching. You're not quite 30 years ago, but now is, as you say, the foremost leader in understanding the data and the incidents of persecution. But that was really born out of our desire to say, well, what can we be most effective?

Billy Hallowell: Yeah, and I mean, really, one of the things I found most eye-opening is looking at your report each year, seeing these examples. I mean, we're talking about Nigeria, but across the world of what it's like and it just it does make you value the freedom that we have here in this country so much in seeing what it's like, what what is the most dangerous country in the world to be a Christian today?

David Curry: Well, we rank North Korea at the top of the world watch list because it has all the factors you need to to to be a horrible place to be a Christian. You have the government controlling the borders, controlling the police, controlling society. So North Korea is definitely at the top of the list. But Nigeria, when we talk about Nigeria, it's number twelve on the world watch list. But more believers that we can count anyway are killed for their faith in Nigeria than almost anywhere else. Even when ISIS was at its peak, there were more believers being killed in Nigeria because of the violence. You have a young population easily radicalized in the north of Nigeria and you have corruption in the government, which breeds discontent. You had this radical ideology which is out there, so you've got this toxic mixture. So there's definitely a ton of violence in the north of Nigeria.

Billy Hallowell: Yeah. And so that's interesting, too. And just understanding each country. And you guys do a great job of sharing the profile of the country, explaining the elements within so that people can really educate themselves on what is going on in each of these countries. So the last thing I'm gonna ask you is just, you know, where can people go if they're interested in maybe getting involved in Open Doors and access in the information and maybe even contributing to you guys?

David Curry: You bet. It's And here's here's how we like to approach it. We want to make this go beyond the numbers that you can understand, the people, the stories. We have videos and stories of people who are living it and you can learn from their fates to be inspired for them by them. And you can also step up and pray for them at the ground level. We have an app. It's just all about pray for the persecuted on every on Apple and Google and all the different platforms and projects that you could support if you fall in love with helping the people of Nigeria, their communities cut off from food. Christian communities, we're gonna help feed them. We have pastors who we're going to train trauma counseling for some of these folks, like I mentioned before, whose families have been snatched from them in a choir practice. We're gonna be there to help, them care for them. So there are these kinds of things which your listeners can be part of

Billy Hallowell: Well, thank you so much. I really appreciate you coming on today. We'll have to have you back soon to talk more about these issues. They're important issues. We don't often get a chance, I think many Americans to hear about them. And so thank you for sharing your knowledge and insight with us.

David Curry: Thank you Billy.

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Billy Hallowell: And we're back. I just wanna take a moment before we go into our second interview to just reflect on what David Curry told us. You know, hearing what it's like to be a Christian in places like North Korea, in Nigeria, it really opens our eyes, I think, to to look at A what we have in this country, the ability in America to believe and say what it is we want to believe and say and to embrace our faith and to do that in an open way without being afraid. You know, we can go to church on a Sunday. We don't have to be afraid of entering into a church building. We can be Christians. In fact, it's it's relatively compared to what's going on in these other countries. Easy to be a Christian here. And I just think we have to we have to revere and respect the ability that we have here to be believers and to embrace Christ and love Christ openly. And we also, I think as a second thought, we really need to be praying. And maybe this is really the first thought for these people to be praying for the situations in these countries. You can go to to see the full country reports, but be praying for North Korea. Be praying for heart change in the leadership in these countries. Be praying for heart change among the people who are causing some of these problems and attacks in these countries and be praying for those who are facing it, our brothers and sisters in Christ around the world who are who are in these countries where these situations are going on. Now, I wanna transition to our second interview, and it's with David A.R. White. He's the founder, the co-founder of Pure Flix. He is a writer and actor, a producer. He has made so much wonderful content in the faith and family friendly space. And what I love about David's story is how he ended up in Hollywood. Right. You look at his backstory, I don't want to spoil and I want you to hear it from him. And you think, how did this guy end up in Hollywood? Right. It's the most unlikely story. And yet here he is creating this content. And this interview also aired on Pure Talk, which is our talk show. You can watch that actually over at Facebook, on Pure Flix. We wanted to share this interview here on the podcast as well, because it's powerful. I think it really teaches us a powerful lesson about what God is doing in our lives. And as you listen to David's story, be thinking, how is God calling you? How has he called you? How does he want to call you into the place he wants you in your life? So let's play our interview with David A.R. White.

Billy Hallowell: Let's start. Let's start by talking about Malibu. Malibu, Dan. Yes. So for those who don't know about this show. Right. Who are tuning in. What can you tell us about this show?

David A.R. White: I love the show.

Billy Hallowell: I wonder why though?

David A.R. White: You know why? 'Cause I, I, I watched the Dick Van Dike show back in the day. And and then I also watch this news show. And I, I love the idea of throwing the two together. You know, Dick Van Dike would always go to to his room. I think it was a he was a writer. And he would go to work and then he would come home. He had the family. And then I also had this other show that I like that would take place in the you know, in the television studio and all the chaos that ensues from there. And so I just liked the idea of putting those together. And hence Malibu Dan in, the family man came out of it.

Billy Hallowell: It's a comedy, right? And so it is a comedy, but with a lot of heart, which is got you don't get that a lot. And you also don't get that mixed. Funny you're saying that because I was just saying that to my wife. She's watching a sitcom and I'm like, this show does not. It's just like the people's lives in their house. Like, what do they work? Do they make money? Like, so you'd think...right. So in your show, you've got a show that nobody watches. You got that family. You've got the you know, the work life balance. And like, these characters are not relatable because they're not working in here. Like, we're all working. I wanna see, like, what is their life like outside of their house. Right. And in their house, too. So. So it's got like that mixed dynamic. Right.

David A.R. White: It does. Yeah. Which is, you know, which is fun. And then of course, I have a lot of you know, I've known a lot of these people for a lot of years that are in the show. And we've learned how to write to their strengths, to their you know, 'cause everybody has their own funny. And so it's a matter of taking that and going, OK. That person is funny because of this. Let's let's just accent that. And I think. You know, the connection comes out more and the jokes come out because it's it's it's a lot of true life.

Billy Hallowell: And it's friendship too, like working with your friends. There's something and you've done a lot of that and you're having a chance to work with people, you know. How does that help the process?

David A.R. White: Well, when I was 19 years old, I got on a show called, Evening Shade with Mary Reynolds, and I remember sitting at at the table read we would table read on Tuesdays. We'd shoot the live show on Fridays. And if you've never saw the sitcom, is it amazing, You know, it was amazing show for like four and a half years. It was in the top ten CBS show. And we were up against Will Smith and the Fresh Prince of Bel Air. So it was always a war evening shade when sometimes we would win first that week. Then, you know, then that darn Will Smith with the Fresh Prince would win. But the thing that I walked away with as a kid is cause my dad was a pastor and I moved around a lot.

Billy Hallowell: Which I wanna talk about as I love your background, continue.

David A.R. White: No, I just I just love the idea of working with friends and people that you had a relationship with, because that's what Bert did. He, I would look around this show and I didn't know how Holbrook, Ossie Davis, Ruby Dee, Elizabeth Ahslee, Charles Durning, you know, and he'd have these guest spots on like Dom DeLuise and John Ritter. You know, Billy Bob Thornton. I mean, like legends. All of them are legend. Kenny Rogers. Like Terry Bradshaw was up, like they were all just legends. And I was a kid from as a Mennonite. Right. Who didn't watch a lot of television growing up. So I didn't know them, but I knew that he had these relationships for 20, 30 years in all different arenas of his life. And I said, that's what I want. I want that. Lord, I really would love to work with my friends in the future and create almost a second family. And so, you know, my family's very small. My parents passed early. I, you know, I have a sister and my brother I don't see very often. And so. But that's it. That's our that's our whole nucleus. Really. Yeah. So this is my family. In a lot of ways.

Billy Hallowell: It's really interesting, too. And like I said, I love your background because coming from this Mennonite and I remember you've told me this before, but you only saw one movie by the time you turned 18 and a theater. I saw one movie. Now, why is that?

David A.R. White: Well, because my parents didn't believe in movies. I grew up Mennonite, mennonite don't see movies. You know.

Billy Hallowell: Which is just crazy because you co-founded Pure Flix and we're sitting here talking about a show with that you're on the poster for it. Right. So, like it just crazy that the way that God goes into people's lives and just like. Yeah. Brings you somewhere. Right.

David A.R. White: Yeah. That's the thing. I mean, I think, you know, in each one of us have that those dreams, those desires inside of our heart. And and I was sitting on a tractor in high school and I couldn't shake this thing about going into the entertainment industry. I love story. I love telling stories. I love connecting people. And I also love performing, even though I was a Mennonite who hadn't performed in anything.

Billy Hallowell: Right? That's what 's so crazy about it. But like something can be put in your heart. You've written on this. You've written a book. But somehow you put in your heart that you don't even realize what it is and you're taking these steps towards it, right? Yeah. And so you got to Hollywood now. At what point do you start to realize, you know, OK, I wanna do I wanna do faith, family friendly. I wanna kind of move into this direction.

David A.R. White: I think I always had a heart for the for the faith based world, you know, growing up. The joke was that the film, the films would Sunday nights were our movie nights, maybe like once every six months, kinda looked forward to those except for the fact that the projector would always eat the film or the sound would work and you would never actually finish the film. But...

Billy Hallowell: This is like pre YouTube. Obviously.

David A.R. White: This is like in the 80s. You know, this is like when you here, give me you know, I appreciate that. Yes. 2004, you know, but it was, you know. And but I had a heart for the Christian film industry. And when I came out here, I was on hiatus from from Evening Shade and Rich Cristiana, who is here. Actually, I've seen you know, I've seen him for two days in a row, which is I haven't seen the guy in years. And and he gave really Kevin Downs and I are starts in the Christian movie he encouraged us to produce. And so we were acting in his movies, a little movie called Second Glance. And out of that, I just wanted to to be in the Christian films because I love I love the Lord. I love the message. You know, I didn't have a problem with where they were at the time on quality. You come from a hit show like Evening Shade, you know, that's winning Emmys and everything else. And then going to do second glance on your summer wasn't an easy necessarily. You're like, huh? This is this is this is a lot different than right and right. Sounds, feels different. You know, uhm. But God works that way. And and I think I think the biggest thing is that no matter where you are, just accept it and embrace it and move forward toward that dream. That doesn't matter. And you will and God will lead you through, you know, different areas and some will be super highs and some aren't. You know, we did a lot of things that were on our first movie that we produced the moment after, you know, we were cooking pancakes in the morning, you know, and then moving grip gear and then being the actor. And then, you know, we were tearing it all down and trying to get four hours of sleep before we had to move to the next location, the next morning. But that's OK, because ultimately the Lord loves just a serving heart.

Billy Hallowell: That's what you did. I mean, you built you built, co-founded Pure Flix, built it up. And, you know, what was the impetus behind that? What was the spark that made you say, this is what we're gonna do, we're gonna build this studio?

David A.R. White: Yeah. It's just again, it was just a passion for faith based movies. And I it's not like I wanted to. I was like, hey, we're gonna make this genre, you know, better because I'm I'm coming into it. No, it was more just, hey, we're gonna expand this genre. So more people can hopefully see films that uplift and inspire their spirit in the process. And by me just making one movie, you know, that's nice. And I can do a good movie. But I wanted to. We really wanted to partner with other producers and encourage them to go do the same thing. So. So, you know, that prayer that Lord expanded my territory for your kingdom. I think that's what Pure Flix is all about. That's the heart of it is that is could we can't do it in and of ourselves. I mean, you watch There's ten thousand titles on there. You know, very few number that we have done. But there's so many wonderful, beautiful Christian producers out there that have put their wherever they're at. Some of them aren't high, you know. You know, the naysayers can look at and go, oh, well, that quality is and very good. But that if the heart is there and the message is there at the center of it, it encourages people and you don't have, and I love Pure Flix because I, I, I want my kids to not watch YouTube. I don't want them watching Netflix, some of the shows that are the Primetime shows that are kids' shows. Yeah. Their problematic. They're like, yeah, it's not the same as it was when we were growing up.

Billy Hallowell: Even five years ago. It's not the same as now.

Billy Hallowell: No. It's changed. The language is there. I mean, it's like way too early to be getting all of this stuff. They're getting enough of it in the world.

David A.R. White: Way too early. And it's I mean, some of it's intentional probably, too, to be inserting things in kids shows, but knowing that there's a safe place at Pure Flix, and for me that what drew me out of, like journalism become because I love storytelling. It's like I want to be involved in storytelling. And the fact that is moving into all these interesting directions of TV content and series like Malibu Dan, the sky's the limit. I think, and it's interesting, too, for a studio to adapt to that. Right. Making movies, doing TV, like doing all of these things in a digital platform, you know.

Billy Hallowell: You know, I mean, I think I always, people I think the more and more that Pure Flix keeps growing. I say this with. It's just it's interesting to me is because less and less people know that we were the founding members of Pure Flix, the founders of Pure Flix. Right. So so it's more they're like I get a lot of people come up to me and say, so you were like with you do movies for a company called Pure Flix. Right. And how did you get involved in Pure Flix?

David A.R. White: Oh, by the way, how did you get involved at that? You know, it's so it's interesting to me. But I what I love about it is that you're here. You are a talent. You are you seriously. You're background is on television when there's a camera. You know, but that was my, it was your Billy Halloway is amazing. And no, I there's nothing on there. This is all up here. This is in my heart. Is that. You are amazing in your talent what you do. And so I love that Pure Flix is is so much bigger than than us. It has it is gone into the Lord has taken it and brought people like yourselves into it to build it. And it has very little to do with me other than I get to do shows and you know,.

Billy Hallowell: Which I'm sure is a blast.

David A.R. White: It is.

Billy Hallowell: Acting sounds, seems fun. What was that? You had that in your heart to do it. But like, what was the. Was it the job being fun? Was it just having an impact on other people through the messages of what you're doing? Like...

David A.R. White: Yeah. I mean, I think it's it's I don't have a set thing. I don't have like one. Oh. I just wanna do, I'm a comedic actor and that's all I do. You know, I obviously read the Revelation Road.

Billy Hallowell: You've done a lot. You've done a lot of different and different...

David A.R. White: Yeah. The God's Not Dead movies, are a whole different thing, you know. And so I've always loved performing. I love the storytelling aspect of it. And when when you're a creator of a show and you get to work on the scripts, you know, from the inception and you get great writers around it, then you can kind of move those stories in different ways. And that's what I love about. That's what I love about being involved with other, people I work with and then making people laugh is certainly I think it's.

Billy Hallowell: You're a funny guy. I mean, you are a funny guy. So like, naturally funny guy.

Billy Hallowell: So at the end of the day, when all they tell you to say that they did. They did. And this isn't even a real pen. It's a remarkable pen. So, yeah, no, I didn't write anything on my hand. At the end of the day when all is said and done and your legacy. Like, what do you want that to be with Pure Flix and just what you do you wanna leave behind in the entertainment industry? It's very deep question.

David A.R. White: It is a deep question because I think uhm. I don't. I don't think about that. I don't think about my legacy or, you know, like if I've received. Sometimes people give me awards and and even like lifetime achievement awards, you know. And when you stand up there and you receive that award and you're like, huh? Because I kind of just go day to day, I whatever is in front of me for that day and whatever I'm supposed to do. And I you know, my hope is to bend my knees before the Lord and say, Lord, take me. Do with me what you will and I'll do it. I don't really think about myself, you know, because I know, you know, life is short. You never know how long I, we could both be hit by cars, you know, in the valet God forbid today.

Billy Hallowell: I don't wanna get hit in the valet.

David A.R. White: Well, I don't either.

Billy Hallowell: But you could, though.

David A.R. White: But you could in any way. And then you would be. That would be it. And then there would be your legacy. But, you know, I don't I really I think it is what it is. You just keep moving forward with what you believe that the Lord wants you to do for that day.

Billy Hallowell: That's what an interesting theme in all the interviews that I've done recently is is hearing people say identity, your identity being aligned with Christ and where it should be in life when it's not. I know for me, there's so many times it hasn't been. And when something doesn't go well, I'm like, oh, I'm a failure. Like, this is a failure. It's like, well, no, that's not how we need to think about things. We need to be praying for His will and kind of being aligned with that. Right. And we go, as you're saying, day to day where we're supposed to be.

David A.R. White: So or you think about. You know, in the process, you're like, wow, I that didn't go very well. But then in retrospect, you don't see even if something doesn't go well, I'm I can look back on different films that I've been in and I go, well, you know, I didn't I wasn't impressed too much with the lighting was weird or the thing or you know, we had there's a people will say a lot of things or people review a lot of things and, you know. It doesn't. It's not about us. That's the other thing. It's a it's a it's it's more those people like that I get to talk to that come up and they say, how much something move them. Or, you know, God's Not Dead is obviously the big one that that has affected the most. I think it's the widest reach those movies. And wasn't, that's the Holy Spirit working through those. He says, My Word will not come back void. Right. So that's its God doing that, that, you know. That's why I kind of. I hope I'm self-deprecating in a way that you don't think too highly of yourselves 'cause you can up one day and down the next day. Yeah. It doesn't really worth. Can't be any. You're worth can't be in that your worth. You're in trouble. Yeah. Yeah. It's easy to slip into that though.

Billy Hallowell: So what the world tells you right there that you're worth is there. But it's not.

David A.R. White: Yeah. Or you're pretty today. Or you're. That's what I love to hear. No, no. But I mean, for women, I mean, I think that they're struggling that you're. Are you pretty today or are you are you well dressed today or for us it's are you well spoken enough. And I am not like you, Billy. I'm not any of those things. You are. All of those things.

Billy Hallowell: Pretty, and well-spoken.

David A.R. White: Well-spoken and super smart.

Billy Hallowell: Well, David White, this has been wonderful. It's been good to catch up.

David A.R. White: It has been great. It's been a good conversation.

Billy Hallowell: I've asked you about your background, which I love. It's a great story about how God brings us...

David A.R. White: Burt Reynolds used to do this thing with the hair. And he'd go, "haha" And then he would itch his head like that. And that was his impersonation. And I did that one time and I got fired for it.

Billy Hallowell: You lost your job over it?

David A.R. White: It wasn't quite that.

Billy Hallowell: So, if I do that, I'll lose my job.

David A.R. White: I don't know about that because I'm not Burt Reynolds, but maybe I'll come up with another thing.

Billy Hallowell: You should.

David A.R. White: To fire you.

Billy Hallowell: Oh, yeah. I'm sure you'll find something.

David A.R. White: I don't think so.

Billy Hallowell: And this brings us to the end of our show. That was a great interview with David. Again, be thinking about how God is trying to work in your life. And I just wanted to share some questions. These are questions that I think we should all be asking ourselves. And these are questions I'm asking myself every day. And I'm just gonna run through them and be thinking about how these relate to you. Who does God want me to be? What do I need to sacrifice for others to be who I meant to be? What do I need to change about myself to be who God wants me to be? And what is culture telling me that might be leading me down the wrong path? These are questions that matter, and I think they're important to ask ourselves. Maybe not daily, but regularly, routinely. Where am I falling in relation to God's Will? Am I asking? Am I seeking? And I just wanted to leave you with that encouragement. If you want more encouragement, though. Be sure. Daily. And we've got great daily content to go over to inside That is the Pure Flix Insider blog. And you can read a ton of great content. You can listen to podcasts, interviews, you can watch our talk show. There's so much going on over on Thanks for tuning in. Be sure to tune in next time for another episode of the Pure Flix podcast. And be sure to also head over to For thousands of titles, faith and family friendly movies, films, documentaries, shows and so much more. Thanks for tuning in.

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